Flight Logger 2.0.0 · targeted for November

Our next logger

Today the logger watches your flight and files the report. Next we want to put the rest of the airline around you: a cabin crew you can talk to, a dispatcher who answers, slots to make and delays to explain. An aeroplane with people in it.

And none of it compulsory. If you want to load up, fly, and have the sector logged with nothing interrupting you, that is exactly what you will get. This page is where you tell us which of it is worth building.

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test pilots signed up

Just fly

One switch, and everything below is off. The logger does what it does today: watches the flight, scores it, files the report, says nothing.

  • Nothing interrupts you
  • Nothing to learn
  • Exactly the app you have now
set per
flight
not per
account

The whole company

Crew on the interphone, dispatch on the radio, a slot to make and a delay to answer for. As much of it as you want, and only what you switch on.

  • Never costs you points
  • Changed at any time, mid-flight included
  • A long-haul on Saturday, nothing on Tuesday
What it could feel like

One sector, with the airline switched on

Not a list of features: the moments they would actually happen in. Every one of these is optional on its own, and none of them can take a point off you. None of it is air traffic control, either. Clearances, levels and routings stay between you and whoever is controlling, on the network or in the sim.

At the gate
Final load sheet arrives
A word with the purser
Clearance on the datalink
Before taxi
A slot, with a window to make
Pushback approval
Late? Say why, in a code
Climb
“Cabin secure”
Service plan for the sector
Cruise
Service starts, and stops for the bumps
Company message: weather at destination
Descent
Ask dispatch about the alternate
Cabin prepared, crew seated
On stand
Delay codes on the report
What it does to your next sector
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Discussion

Every idea gets its own thread

The vote here says what we should build. The part we cannot get from a vote is how you want it to work, and that is the part that decides whether it is any good. Every idea on this list has a thread of its own in the 2.0.0 forum on our Discord: say how you would want to use it, what would annoy you, what we have got wrong.

Your feedback is what this is built on. Tell us how you would like to see these ideas actually work.

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The cabin

The people behind you, and what you say to each other.

6 ideas

The crew tell you things without being asked

Cabin secure. Service complete. A passenger who is unwell. A door that has not armed. Short, timed to what is actually happening on your aircraft, and never while you are busy on the approach.

In 2.0.0

Sit the crew down for turbulence, and pick the service back up

Tell the cabin to stow and be seated, and the service stops where it was. Tell them it is over and it resumes. The passengers notice both, and so does the report.

Your vote decides

Call the cabin, and be answered

A cabin crew you can actually speak to, from the flight deck: ask for the cabin to be secured, ask how the passengers are, tell them to hold the service. They answer in the airline language, in the voice they already have.

In 2.0.0

A word with the purser before departure

The pre-flight briefing an airline actually does: passenger count, anything loaded that you should know about, expected turbulence, when the crew would like to run the service. Two minutes at the gate, skippable.

Your vote decides

Things that happen in the cabin, and what you decide to do

A passenger taken ill, an overhead bin that will not close, a broken seat. Not emergencies for the sake of it: the ordinary cabin problems that make a captain choose between carrying on and doing something about it.

Your vote decides

Disable cabin announcements on cargo and charter/special flights.

It kills the immersion when a Purser announces the safety briefing and all other cabin announcements associated with a passenger flight. Could the JSV Logger be programmed to elimenate these announcements during cargo and charter flights? Or at the very least, have a toggle on/off feature to be able to stop the announcments from occuring.

Your vote decides Ken R

Dispatch and the company

The company on the other end of the radio.

10 ideas

CPDLC, and a clearance that arrives on the aircraft

Company messages that arrive the way they do on a real flight deck rather than in a chat box: uplinks you read, acknowledge and file. Where you are flying on a network that has real controllers and real CPDLC, the logger stays out of their way and never speaks to ATC for you.

Your vote decides

A final load sheet before you go

The last figures, sent to the aircraft the way they are on the line: final passengers and bags, the weights, the trim. Late changes arrive as a revision, which is exactly when they arrive in real life.

Your vote decides

Integrate GSX into the logger

Ensure that the phases of groundhandling match with GSX

Your vote decides Joost K

A dispatcher who answers

Ask the company for more fuel, a second look at the weather, an opinion on the destination or whether to carry the extra alternate, and get an answer that means something. The answer is grounded in the flight you are actually on: the plan, the weather and the aircraft. What to do about it with ATC is still yours.

In 2.0.0

Ask for a re-clearance when the destination goes bad

Destination below minima, the alternate closing, a hold you cannot afford. Ask the company and get a re-clearance with the fuel figures behind it, and the paperwork follows the decision.

Your vote decides

Divert with the company, not alone

Tell dispatch where you are going and why, get handling and a stand at the other end, and have the report record the whole conversation as the reason. The diversion already works; this is the part where somebody knows about it.

Your vote decides

Remember aircrafts and airline preference

When booking your flight, it should remember your aircrafts and airline preference instead of updating it every time

In 2.0.0 Tom J

In Range Calls

This kind of calls into company ACARS messaging, but I know a lot of outstation personnel are rarely directly connected to it. Usually when close to their destination, the pilot calls the company ops frequency on the ground, telling them how far out they are, relaying anything of importance, requests, and asking for any changes like gates, etc.

Your vote decides Guy R

Import an existing SimBrief OFP

Dispatch always builds the flight plan for you in SimBrief. Pilots who have already built their own OFP, or who fly an add-on aircraft with an airframe profile that our dispatch does not offer, have to throw that plan away and take the generated one. The ask is an import: paste a SimBrief flight ID, or pull the pilot's latest plan from their SimBrief account, and attach it to the booking as the briefing for the flight.

Your vote decides Jake

Slots and flow

Being somewhere at a time, and what happens when you are not.

2 ideas

Ground handling that takes the time it takes

Boarding, fuelling, catering, loading, pushback approval: each with a duration you can watch and, when something is late, a reason. The turnaround stops being a countdown and starts being a sequence.

Your vote decides

A departure slot you have to make

A calculated take-off time with a window either side of it, handed to you by the company when the network is busy and your route says so. Nothing is said to a controller on your behalf: it is a time to be ready by, and the turnaround and the crew work back from it.

In 2.0.0

Delays and recovery

Going out late, and getting it back.

3 ideas

Ask the company to help you claw a delay back

A quicker turnaround, catering skipped, boarding closed early, an aircraft swap. What the airline can do about a late departure, which is a real part of the job and nothing in the sim currently notices. Anything that belongs to a controller stays with the controller.

Your vote decides

A delay that follows you into the next sector

Go out late and your next departure is under pressure, exactly as it would be. The roster already carries the slack; this makes it visible while you are still flying, and lets you see the moment you have got it back.

Your vote decides

Delays with a reason, all the way through

Every delay carries an IATA code and a cause, from the stand to the report. The roster already does this for a duty; 2.0.0 brings it to the single flight and to everything the company does around it.

In 2.0.0

However you want to fly

The promises that make the rest of it safe to build.

5 ideas

Choose how much you want, per flight

Immersion is set on the flight, not on the account, so a long-haul on a free evening can have the full company around it and a quick sector after work can have none of it. The setting travels with the flight and can be changed at any point.

In 2.0.0

Just Fly stays exactly as it is

Everything below is optional. One switch turns the whole of it off and the logger goes back to what it does today: it watches the flight, scores it and files the report, and nothing ever interrupts you. This is the promise the rest of 2.0.0 is built against.

In 2.0.0

None of it can cost you points

A pilot who never opens the message centre finishes the flight with exactly the same score as one who answers everything. Immersion may earn recognition of its own, but it will never be a way to lose what you have.

In 2.0.0

Please add Hiksy and Animwings

Me and my friends would love to fly twith the Animawings A320/A220 and with A321/330 from Hisky. These are the most famous low cost carriers in Romania. Thank you and hope you will see our ideea.

Your vote decides Nemes M

Free flight or GA flight with personal ownership of small aircraft

Allow members to purchase a small plane or fly GA flights in a "free" mode. Perhaps reduce or don't count the hours towards airline credit hours. I don't know how complicated this would make things.

Your vote decides Jeffrey S

Underneath it all

What the rest of it stands on.

3 ideas

It keeps working when the connection does not

Everything interactive has to survive a dropped connection the way the logger already does, holding what it could not send and carrying on. If immersion breaks the flight when the wifi drops, it is not worth having.

Your vote decides

Voice if you want it, text if you do not

The crew and the company can speak, in the languages the cabin already has, or stay silent and write. Set once, changed whenever, and the choice is per channel: a talking purser and a written dispatcher is a perfectly reasonable way to fly.

In 2.0.0

One place for everything anybody says to you

A message centre in the app that holds the cabin, the company and the ground on one screen, with a clear unread mark and nothing that steals focus. Everything above arrives here.

In 2.0.0

Something missing?

Every idea is read by a human. The ones that go on the list carry your name, and get a thread in the Discord 2.0.0 channel to be picked apart.

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What makes a good one
Say the moment, not the feature “When I go around, I want the company to know before I do it again” tells us more than “better go-around support”.
Small is fine One line the purser says, one thing dispatch could answer. Most of what makes a flight feel real is small.
Say if it should be optional Everything is, by default. Tell us if yours only makes sense with the rest of the company switched on.
Already said it in Discord? Say it here too, so it can be voted for. Once it is on the list it gets its own thread, and that is where the how gets worked out.
Beta from 27 October

Fly it before anyone else

The build goes to test pilots at the end of October, two or three weeks before it is released. You fly your normal flights on it and tell us what is wrong. It is the real app, your flights count as usual, and you can go back to the released version whenever you like.

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How this goes

Nothing here is a promise except the first one: whatever we build, Just Fly keeps working.

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Now · 17 days left

You tell us

Vote for everything you would use, argue about it in the 2.0.0 channel on Discord, and send in what is missing. Votes are only counted here, so it stays one pilot one vote.

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15 October

We cut the list

What gets built is what you voted for, against what is honestly buildable by November. Whatever does not make it is published, with the reason.

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15 to 27 October

Building, in the open

Work happens on the 2.0.0 branch, and every committed item has an issue on the tracker you can follow.

27 October

Beta

The build goes to the test pilots. Your flights count as usual, and what they find is what stops it going out broken.

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November

2.0.0

Released the way 1.13.0 was: the app updates itself, and the release notes say plainly what changed.